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kopernikus -

Well, I have a pretty simple question really… The other day I said “ÿ���ĸ綼��֪��”, and while
I of course was being understood, I wonder if I should have omitten the “��”, since “ÿ��” isn’t
really plural, like “����” for example?

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roddy -

Sounds ok with ‘dou’ to me. It just gives it a bit more emphasis.
Roddy

holyman -

ok with dou.

skylee -

Dou is ok. But what do you mean by ÿ���ĸ�? The sentence doesn’t make sense to me. If you mean
“everyone’s elder brother” then I think it should be ÿ���˵ĸ��. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

kopernikus -

Well actually I read about the word �ĸ� in this forum
http://www.roddyflagg.34sp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42 , so I used it and it worked…

skylee -

So it appears it is a term used in mainland meaning “taxi driver”. I have never heard of it. We in
Hong Kong, and I suppose in Taiwan too, call the taxi driver ˾�C (siji). And when I am in
Mainland, I call them ���� (shifu).

Glad to learn a new term.

Quest -

ÿ��(each and every) is plural in chinese. ����was used correctly.

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Should Chinese frogive Japanese?
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Disenchant -

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Originally Posted by holyman, Jun 9 2004, 06:15 PM

does it matter whether i’m one or not?

Cause I’m getting that typical, 数典忘祖, ABC vibe from you and I wanted to verify.

Edit: As for the subject matter, my stance is it doesn’t really matter. Karma has a way of biting
people/groups of people in the asses in the long run.

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holyman -

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Some people still have a negative image of China , but the Chinese nation today is not like the
one which Mao ruled under a harsh rulership

imo i think this is 2 different things altogether, image of the common chinese and image on its
govt, though many times people tends to mixed them up.

Quote:

What does bother me however are the racial purity groups in Japan or the ultra nationalists, there
are a few members of the Japanese government who go to pray at Shrines where A class war criminals
have been enshrined, and then there is the xenophobic Tokyo governor and the Kanagawa mayor who
call foreign people sneaky crooks, called the Chinese animals and make terrible remarks about
Korean people.

both sides are responsible… after 10yrs of bad economy its always easy to shift the blame to
foreigners from the responsibilities of the govt. so the chinese became the scapegoat. on the
other hand, as i mentioned, chinese are the major foreign criminals in japan(yeah, due to their
sheer numbers in japan), so it makes them an easy target too. rascists and regionalists exists
everywhere, difficult to eliminate as long as there is difference in social development. it
happens btw different countries, within japan itself(kanto dislikes kansai and vice versa), within
china(people from different places have opinions about the rest of the chinese).

holyman -

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I suppose these people were elected…. so much for a modern civilized democratic society. I doubt
Beijing mayors dare to say such things.

less than 50% of the japanese participate in every election since… probably 2 decades ago, so
even if these people were elected, they only represent like 1/4 of the people in their district
even if they have more than 50% votes from the voters. fact is most of them dont even get 50%, so
they dont really represent the major japanese population.

why they still get elected even if they are incompetent, is due to the support of people called
‘即得利益集团’. the rest gave up. heard of something called 沉默的大多数?

Disenchant -

默认了?

holyman -

Quote:

Cause I’m getting that typical, 数典忘祖, ABC vibe from you and I wanted to verify.

oh, then probably the Force is not with u, and u made a wrong guess. try harder.

regarding ur comment on 数典忘祖, i wonder if u know ur 祖 say, up to 5 generations? ok lets
make it easy, 3 generations? cos i knew mine for the past 27 generations. i have to agree that
karma does bite people, but in a really quick manner.

Quest -

Quote:

both sides are responsible… after 10yrs of bad economy its always easy to shift the blame to
foreigners from the responsibilities of the govt. so the chinese became the scapegoat. on the
other hand, as i mentioned, chinese are the major foreign criminals in japan(yeah, due to their
sheer numbers in japan), so it makes them an easy target too. rascists and regionalists exists
everywhere, difficult to eliminate as long as there is difference in social development. it
happens btw different countries, within japan itself(kanto dislikes kansai and vice versa), within
china(people from different places have opinions about the rest of the chinese).

double standard?

holyman -

Quote:

double standard?

as in?

Disenchant -

It’s perfectly fine if I’m wrong, as I was merely thinking out loud, not that your asinine
ambiguities is particularly making me doubt myself at the moment. Your posturing still fits the
stereotype awfully well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by holyman, Jun 9 2004, 07:19 AM

oh, then probably the Force is not with u, and u made a wrong guess. try harder.

Since you imply you’re not Chinese, I suppose you could always be one of those East Asian Studies
posers with an Asian (Japanese) women fetish. Tell me when if I’m warm.

roddy -

Boring. Ever heard of email?

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u after q, x and j
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Alveranter -

I have a small problem with this one. My chinese book says that in order to pronounce q, x and j
you are supposed to have the tongue flat in the mouth and the corners of the mouth drawn back as
far as possible. So far so good.. and I know that “u” is pronounced “y” since the umlaut (ü) has
been omitted after these three consonants. But having the corners of the mouth drawn back to a
full extent and saying “y” is impossible.. try for yourselves.. the sound is instead an “i”. So..
could anyone help me with this one.. I’d be sincerely grateful.

/Anton

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ala -

Um.. I believe the ü is a front closed rounded vowel, therefore your lips are gonna be rounded as
well. The unrounded equivalent to ü (/y/) is i (/i/). Haha, so of course you are going to get qi
if you try to stretch your lips flat.

At least that’s how I’ve always pronounced it and I’m Chinese. In any case, don’t pronounce it as
qi. The vowel is like the “chu” in French. Or German: Tür.

Quest -

Quote:

My chinese book says that in order to pronounce q, x and j you are supposed to have the tongue
flat in the mouth and the corners of the mouth drawn back as far as possible.

That’s when you pronounce them individually– j, q, x (ji, qi, xi)
but when they are followed by u:, your lips should become rounded to make the u: sound.

smithsgj -

for the vowel, you have to round your lips and TRY to say i (I mean “ee”)

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